(Michigan) Gov. Rick Snyder on Tuesday signed into law a stricter, four-year lifetime limit on cash welfare benefits, prompting advocates for the poor to warn that tens of thousands of residents will find themselves without cash assistance on Oct. 1.How are these people going to find jobs in the next 3 weeks? Many of them have none of the skills necessary to survive a work-and-pay-your-bills world. The factory jobs are gone, illegals perform much of the back-breaking work that is required to keep our country moving and government jobs are evaporating as the tax base shrinks. There's nothing left for someone with no knowledge of even basic job skills. Thanks to the welfare state, the world has passed these people by.
The simple answer is, "Kick the illegals out and make the unemployed bums pick up the trash/debeak the chickens/slaughter the steers." But have you seen what a lifetime of welfare does to people? Many (most?) of them are not physically capable of doing these jobs. You are welcome to accuse me of generalizing, but I don't think I am.
I don't like the welfare state, but kicking people out of the system with just 3 weeks notice is cruel and will lead to very bad events.
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Many of them have none of the skills necessary to survive a work-and-pay-your-bills world.
Cry me a river.
Well, I think that you've hit the nail on the head here. For decades we as a nation have paid our lower class to stay home and collect welfare checks.
Illegal aliens have stepped in and filled the labor vacuum.
Fine employers $10,000 for every illegal that is found working for them. The jobs for illegals will dry up and they will go home of their own accord thus freeing up those jobs for our stay at home welfare recipients.
Jesus said, the poor will always be with us, he was right!
Let them work.....again.
Americans are good people - many will step up and help those who really need help.
Those who are able to take care of themselves but have been taking advantage of the system, they are going to learn the hard way what they should have learned by now.
It does seem rather abrupt and probably could have been better though.
It does seem rather abrupt and probably could have been better though.
Exactly. I am not a fan of the welfare state, but after generations of this the state is gonna boot 'em out with 3 weeks notice. It will not end well.
More meth labs!
The legal immigrants (after 10+ years in a refugee camp) my church helps settle spend 10 hours/day cutting up chicken (in 45 degree water)
Don't think many current welfare recipients would be eager to take those jobs.
Also agree with the first commenter that we're to the point where working Americans struggling themselves no longer much care about what happens to those multi-generation welfare recipients when the checks stop...
Like my Dad said, work or starve - it's up to you to choose.
"Like my Dad said, work or starve - it's up to you to choose."
Anon, your dad is wrong. What about all the people who are starving in other countries and don't have jobs to get because there are non? Don't be blind about what's going on around you. A politician will never starve when he/she is getting rich off of the tax payer. They don't work, they pretend to work.
Like my Dad said, work or starve - it's up to you to choose.
I agree with the sentiment, but what type of work can a person with no skills and no work history find in 3 weeks in Detroit?
Maybe a solution to this would be to have people on welfare perform work in exchange for their benefits. It doesn't really matter what kind of work they do. Pick up trash, dig ditches and fill them in again -- whatever.
It seems like this would have a lot of benefits. First, it would teach people who receive welfare how to work. This kind of program could be ramped up slowly -- you could ask people to put in 10 hours per week, then 20, then 30, etc.
Second, it would teach people the skills needed to keep a job -- showing up on time, getting along with co-workers, etc.
Third, a lot of people required to work this way would do a cost-benefit analysis and decide that if they are going to put in 40 hours per week anyway, they might as well do it in the private sector for higher pay. (There might not be higher-paying private sector jobs available for everyone, but some people will make the switch, and that's a start.)
Fourth, because society would be treating welfare recipients as responsible adults for the first time by demanding that they earn their keep, a lot of people would develop a sense of pride and self-worth. (Some people on welfare are just parasites who'd just resent having to work, but others would rise to the occasion.)
Fifth, some useful work might actually get done. Public parks could be cleaned and maintained. Potholes could be filled. Walls could be painted. Streets could be cleaned. Graffiti could be removed, etc., etc.
My head is spinning...but hey they can move in and live on your dime...but please do not expect me to pay for your feelings...
"Maybe a solution to this would be to have people on welfare perform work in exchange for their benefits."
Welcome to Wisconsin. Tommy Thompson's crowing achievement.
More to the point of the post, I see what you are saying Lou, but at times people react positively by being thrown into the fire.
I worked my way through college roofing...hot tar in Houston...everyone on the job was citizen...the issue is not that our people are too lazy to work..that is insulting...we want a living wage..well boot the bottom feeding illegals and put the business executives that employ them in jail...I think millions of jobs would open up at a living wage!!!
Only 3 weeks notice? Cry me a river. We should have cut these leeches off 3 generations ago. As far as I'm concerned, they owe society a big assed refund.
...spend 10 hours/day cutting up chicken (in 45 degree water).
It would be nice if legal Americans actually got hired for those jobs. In many cases, they are passed up for illegals - like a lot of the jobs after Katrina.
I think most the wailing about welfare recipients is a bright shiny object to distract us from how the banksters have wrecked us. Sorry to see you've drunk that flavor of Koolaid, Lou.
I am sorry their country is horrible...but they should stay home and effect change....in fact we can send them our surplus of commuinity organizers to help them..starting at the top. Given them guns and send them back...a good revolution might do them some good. Rather like the Arab Spring that liberals are so happy with. I guess if Asia was within walking distance we could have a few bilion to welcome...great idea.
They might have to leave Detroit. Imagine that. Moving to make a better life. My family has done that since arriving in North America 300+ years ago. You go where the work is. Sometimes it sucks to move, but it's better than starving.
The "poor" in this country live better than the middle class in most other countries, where poor means a shack, no running water, no electricity, etc.
I think most the wailing about welfare recipients is a bright shiny object to distract us from how the banksters have wrecked us. Sorry to see you've drunk that flavor of Koolaid, Lou.
Again, my issue right now is not the destruction caused by the welfare state, which most of us would agree is a failure. My issue is booting these people out of the system with 3 weeks notice.
Lou, I'm with you. It's not just work or starve, not when they are ALL getting kicked out at one time, in three weeks. It's work or riot. Or work or steal.
Regarding the jobs after Katrina, a friend of mine owns a hamburger place down there. He COULD NOT GET workers. He won't hire illegals (he's got that principle thing going), but almost nobody wanted to work for him for $8 to $10 per hour. Not when they could eat for free from the Nat Guard.
He and his wife and daughter ended up running his place and had to shut down at 6 or 7 PM every day not from lack of business but because they were exhausted. And this is while thousands of people hung out for government handouts -- including some of his previous employees, which burned him up!
Bad job? Yep. I can vouch for that because my brother worked there. But it was a job that paid, and you could apply today and be working this afternoon.
I'm late to your post and perhaps the linked article was updated but it now says that this law was passed in 2007 by the Dem. governor.
These people getting kicked off now were granted exemptions based on their social workers opinion that they were "progressing" towards work. No self-interest there, eh?
I doubt that many will face work or starve, work or steal, work or riot. I suspect that many will find it expedient to move to a new state and restart their welfare eligibility there.
At the start of the downturn I read an article that still gets my hackles raised. It was a California based article on the newly unemployed and one couple it profiled had moved to California in hopes of finding new jobs (at a time when Ca. unemployment was rising already!) or, at worst, being eligible for higher benefits for UI and/or welfare and other government grants.
That shit still makes me angry. :)
"Maybe a solution to this would be to have people on welfare perform work in exchange for their benefits."
In Cali, that's already in place and has been for over 20 years. You fail to realize that the majority of people on welfare are women with children. Do you really think that these women are going to leave their kids to go work for minimum wage and worry about their kids, when they can stay home and collect just as much money? Do see where I'm going with this? If anything, the people on welfare is not raping the system like our over paid politicians. One politician's salary can pay for 35 families alone. Go figure! Who really needs jobs are the men. Some men fuck up this country and they blame everyone else for their problems.
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